Ran Geva 4:45
I didn’t make the job. Basically what we do so when we when we did the rebranding, we asked clients, what do you think who what is then webhose is for you and As they said, it’s kind of a Google for machines. So you when you go to Google to search information for humans, you get the first page and results and you’re happy with it. Machines that need big web data can produce Google. And, and they want to, they needed the information in a different way formatted JSON or XML. They need vast amount of data not only the first page order not biased in order to analyze and to get insights or informed decisions. So Webz is a neighbor is taking the enormous amount of information online information and transform it or translate or formatted into unified unstructured format data feeds the big data applications can then consuming analyzed. Recently, we kind of changed or enhanced our vision, and are not only for machines, but also for humans, that we will talk about lunar. So also making this data available for for humans to make informed decisions and analyze the data. Let’s start with your use cases. Yeah, yeah, what some use cases. So when we initially started, we thought about the brand monitoring. You mentioned, I ran a brand monitoring company, Israeli brand monitoring company, and we need a lot of needed a lot of information and, and we had our own chronic technology, that kind of basic technology that works is based on. But when you really need to compete with Google, you need a way to access a vast amount of information if you want to get a global view of the world. And so companies come to us, they don’t want to do deal with the collection part. That’s all we do. We do the collection, we do the formatting and the unification and a lot of work behind the scenes. And that just tap into CG repository, and then they can get information they want to brand monitoring, you want to see what people are thinking about you how your customers are experienced your products and services. What is the competition is doing when you do a press release, how it is the proceeds are people talking about etcetera, etcetera, being mainly used by marketing departments, prior department that really want to listen to what people are saying about them or their competitors. So that’s kind of the major use cases we started from. And other than monitoring, there’s a lot of other use cases could be financial. And financial goes from the basic of just monitoring financial information for analysts. But also quant hedge funds that take huge amount of information and try to find relationship or correlation between commodity movement and what was going on online. So they put on a huge machine that basically tried to find signals and relationship or correlation between movements and what happened before then they could predict the future. So that’s another use case. Risk management, supply chain risk. For example, companies would love to know if there’s something that is risking or their brand, if it’s fire, a war, some disaster that happened to either their suppliers or their suppliers. And they need to go and monitor sometimes three rare regulation changes that they want to must monitor in order to make sure that everything they won’t be surprised. And that’s kind of a main use cases for the openweb. But we also have the dark web, which many people find interesting.
Jeremy Weisz 8:58
Yeah, we’ll talk about the dark web. I just want to stick on open so brand protection. Yeah, what you know, I don’t know if you hear on the flip side. What they did with the data. Do you ever hear those stories of you know, because people are just coming in, they’re like, Okay, they’re using it and they may be tracking their name or certain things. Do you ever hear from the companies like oh, we took your data and this is how we, we
Ran Geva 9:22
used it? Yeah, yeah, we do. Um, so I think that the most obvious one is credentials. We hear so many times that PII private information is being leaked online. And then people can get into accounts and get into the company and break into their into the company itself. So monitoring credentials could be password emails, but also credit cards social security numbers is is very, extremely important. It’s very straightforward use case like I want to monitor my social security number or credit card or email or domain that is being liquid. So one of them my employee information got leaked. So that’s got a very, very, very straightforward analytical or monitoring alerting service that companies are using. But the more sophisticated ones, companies are monitoring their IP in the sense that IP address their IP, if there are risks, or in the sense that hackers found some kind of vulnerability. And they mentioned, either asset that the run, and they know that are being exposed out there. And there are hackers that are selling this information. So they found kind of certificate, they found a backdoor. And they can say, Oh, we got this intel, or is x x, whatever company, server access vulnerability, zero day, whatever. And if it does anyone want to buy and to the highest bidder, and then they can know and make sure so it’s got a more proactive approach to cybersecurity is kind of reactive. So you have a firewall, you want to see this attack, you can mitigate it Darkwave, or the the risk protection is proxy is before the attack happens, you go outside, and you see if there’s something that relates to you. We had another company that their tests, they run tests. And they were an employee sold them on the dark web. So again, your IP is all around your IP that being sold on the dark web, either by employees that want to make a quick buck. Or by hackers that found a vulnerability that they scan the Internet and found that you are vulnerable. And they stayed in that summary. So let’s say
Jeremy Weisz 12:03
Ran, that, you know, a company like Salesforce or IBM, they hook up into your data feed into all the places on the open web or dark web. And if they see this conversation going on of their company being mentioned, like there’s been a breach and it can be proactive instead of someone sells it and they find out after they get some ramps are aware of, you know, email from someone. Yeah,
Ran Geva 12:30
yeah, that accurate. Yeah, and that’s some companies that are also monitoring and enlisted activity in the sense of riot, or anti semitism. Or you before there was a mass shooting, or kind of more of a social level, on networks, that people gonna say they’re gonna do something. It’s not necessarily hacking, it could be also violent. So this is being monitored by some companies as well. Good.
Jeremy Weisz 13:03
So let’s talk about we’ll talk about lunar in a second, but I’m talking about the use case who should be using it from you know, keeping society safe, law enforcement, etc. Exactly.
Ran Geva 13:16
So we have company that sometimes are nonprofit that we have two clients that are protecting actually Jews around the world to see if there are going to be attacks on Jewish communities and that’s kind of a nonprofit organization that is visiting our our staff service
Jeremy Weisz 13:41
or the law enforcement like what types
Ran Geva 13:44
are not annoying, formatted, so that we have clients that are we don’t have directly law enforcement client, but we have a client that is being used by law enforcement. And and again, the watch is there going to be arrived somewhere, but in cases some cases we have brands that are using our system to see if there are plans to go against the brand worldwide. So or the in some cases the was demonic toward our discussion about people that are going to block arrival of a shipment coming to a port. So the knew beforehand that’s going to happen. So that’s that’s another use case for for monitoring, kind of a dark web, which is kind of a drawed name for wherever, kind of criminals trying to speak anonymously. Without them the risk of them being recognized and stuff like a star from Tor Network, that’s when I initially started thinking about monitoring the dark web, I thought darker is only Tor network. But Dark Web is a name for basically a medium that people take without being detected. People taking advantage of anonymity, or they think they’re anonymous, but something there are ways of, of getting them.
Jeremy Weisz 15:33
The anonymized, what are some companies out there that you think, should be using this with you that, that maybe don’t know about you, like what type of companies
Ran Geva 15:46
so lunar, initially, you’re going to be serving mssps, which is managed services, these are companies that are giving security measurements to brands, so they can have a hub of where I come to it. And I want to say if you can go ahead and monitor my network,
Jeremy Weisz 16:05
they may have like 100, or 200, or 300 clients that they can use
Ran Geva 16:08
zactly. So as I said, usually this is these are reactive, managing your fire hose, many do your company’s security. But the next generation of MSPs are also proactive, making sure beforehand that you are not being threatened. So they’re connected to many, many brands, and lunar and cyber feed, which goes to the machines is, is used by MSPs. And so our cyber feed or data feed is usually used by companies who are serving brands, or the b2b to be
Jeremy Weisz 16:48
there more technical. So your sales process is interesting, because when someone goes down, they want to talk to an expert. Usually the people clicking that is maybe a cybersecurity expert that runs 100 companies and is protecting 100 companies, and they’re using your solutions to really maybe up a level what they’re currently doing or add to what they’re currently doing. Yeah,
Ran Geva 17:11
yep. And surprisingly enough, when we initially launched the dark web feed, we can do the same way we sold Openwave feeds we can give them give them access and test it around to see if they find value. And surprisingly, or not surprisingly, they did not. And what we found is that it’s not as easy to find the needle in the haystack in the dark web, does a specials are gone, you need to use. It’s not like hacking Samsung, right.
Jeremy Weisz 17:45
Right? I’m thinking it’s like, what keyword do you use to find out like, let’s say someone’s doing a mass shooting, they’re not saying I’m going to do a mass shooting, right? I mean, there’s other things that they’re saying that you need to detect. I imagine for
Ran Geva 18:00
each category, there’s a different and evolving set of phrases that you need to monitor. For example, fu ll that that’s pools, that’s kind of a nickname for credit card, credit card information. So if you don’t know the jargon, you won’t be able to pinpoint it because a lot of there’s a lot of noise there. So we when we onboard when we make a trial with a client, we make sure and we go and make a kind of a POC and we hear their use case and we show them the value before of course they buy and then you know the many times fairly surprised about the best information or the polls are online especially if they’re a big burden. And otherwise they wouldn’t be able to to find this information if they don’t have an expert that will lead them and help them find a value so what I don’t
Jeremy Weisz 18:54
know if you know this if you’re that close to it, but what is some of the jargon that you have found from like these, I mean, I feel like I turn on my news every day and there’s a mass shooting going on. Have you as a company found here’s what we’re seeing some of the languages on the dark web or some of these other social platforms that people can be anonymous.
Ran Geva 19:19
So you know, I know duck close to it, but you would like to search for calibre for mm millimeter, not necessarily only for pistol but also for towards that around it like a pistol caliber or millimeter. So talking about firearms, right. And not necessarily any you need to open it to handguns from Glock and the Gen four and and information around This domain of weapon because that’s going to be just shoot or, but that that’s their own weapons. And again in their around writing it’s that’s that’s why we have cyber analysts that anytime go and research and and come up with a report or with how you gotta go ahead because they they themselves learn by reading by starting in the domain and reading posts and see how people are talking and speaking and learning as you’re gone, and then making sure the client will have the right information to search and find relevant data. Yeah,
Jeremy Weisz 20:41
I want to talk about pricing for a second. How do you mean, how do you decide to price this? It seems it’d be difficult to do that. I also want to give a shout, Brian, before we did the interview, I sent your information to Matthew Connor, he runs cyber links. He’s got a great podcast, the cyber business podcast now saying these may be some solutions that that you would like. So I sent that to Matt. So shout out to his podcast because he has cyber professionals and experts on his show. But pricing wise, so someone comes to you, they’re like, Okay, I’m interested, and how does it work.
Ran Geva 21:17
So there’s different pricing point a different type of vertical, I think with everything in life, it is more expensive, the more difficult to obtain, or the more rare. So at the open web, there are multiple competitors kind of easier to do it yourself in a sense to a level. And the more difficult and resource intensive. Your service is the more expensive, so the dark web is much, much much I think could be five to 10 folds more expensive than the open web per number of API calls. So we price for the amount of data that you need. And of course, we can start small, you don’t need a lot of information and doesn’t mean anything, of course. And that’s kind of an interesting journey, we, you know, went through pricing wise have a company that had a self serving subscription on the website, $39 a month, for an open way of going up to thing it was 500 or something like that a month, which sounded expensive. When we just started and we were happy people just pay to DARPA, by the way that you can’t be does a KYC Not anyone can have access to the dark web. Again, legal aspects that are also important, who can what can be and how you can search in dark web. After all, it’s a search engine, we we collect information that by nature is unlisted and can contain sensitive information. So we got of course, the legal advice about how to make sure the clients are searching only about their IP, and not embedded or using or isn’t this search engine to harm. So it’s certainly not outputting to the public. It’s only for companies who are dealing with cybersecurity or digital risk protection. And also they need to add, they must search, search and monitor internal clients that have permission to do that. Or themselves. That’s extremely important. I think Openwave openweb, can do whatever you want. Because public information and you news blogs, sports reviews, etc.
Jeremy Weisz 23:40
I want to get to in a bit how the war affected you in the company. But let’s just talk about you mentioned, you know, the dark web monitoring for security purposes. And then you came out with this article. Dark Web news. If if you’re watching the video, by the way, you can see we’re on Webz.io. And they have a lot of great information from posts to white papers to webinars and things like that. You can check them out. But we’re looking at the Israel, Hamas cyber war in the deep and dark web. Can you tell me a little bit about what you put together here and what you saw?
Ran Geva 24:20
Yeah, so we’re all shocked when number seven and immediately wanted to help and to see how we can help our intelligence to find clues about abductees and found if you find if there’s videos, images, information being shared online telegram channels, Discord, online communities that can shed some light on about people who got abducted, any piece of information is was still important to cross reference. Because we needed Israel intelligence and still are, any information that can can tell us the whereabouts or identity identification information about someone who either got killed or abducted. So quite quickly, we work with multiple intelligence organizations in Israel, who got access. And we worked hard to map and find telegram channels, and any other channels that we can find that there were discussions by the Palestinians in a reading, posting images, that it was quite popular to wind down as time went by, about what happened. And it disappeared formation and it private phone that took pictures and uploaded and bragged about what they didn’t good it captured. And that helped immensely to identify and recognize and what happened. And sometimes the status of the people that either were brutally murdered or abducted. So it, you know, close to home. We talked about it. And we talked to Rich’s and he were able to help or country as fast as we could people work very hard. Just on helping searching again, analyzing the text, and see how you can search how you can find how we can pinpoint this type of information, and which are the channels that are more popular. And of course, it’s dynamic, evolving. And so we are still on helping on that effort. So we’re very, very happy about
Jeremy Weisz 27:07
this is a image was taken from lunar.
Ran Geva 27:12
What are we looking at here? Yeah, so that’s kind of when you can see that that dimensions around the war around Israel around what happened with Hamas, kind of flatline and then October sevens?
Jeremy Weisz 27:30
I mean, you say flatline, but like, so some of these is text messages and comments about Israel, Hamas. There’s still five I mean, the frontlines 5000 daily mentions that doesn’t seem insignificant. on a normal basis.
Ran Geva 27:46
Yeah, people don’t like Israel. And there are these charts do talk about Israel and Hamas and the Palestinians on a daily basis, or there’s chatter all the time. The Hamas organization, Israel is now unknown organizations, and you know, the conflict has been going on for ages. This is just the jump and in what happened in number of posts and discussions. And, and you know, people were cheering and very, very happy about what happened. So there was a search. So that can end up the graph is showing the search. Yeah, I mean, this
Jeremy Weisz 28:23
is all disturbing. But what was disturbing to me is the the flatline is still 5000 daily mentions about this. Right? Yeah, but it wasn’t about
Ran Geva 28:34
you know, it was Israel and Hamas and round out and not not about Of course, we couldn’t have known unfortunately beforehand. All over it intelligence organization missed. Yeah, actually, the the Hamas terrorists did not know until 4am. That this is going to happen. No, a lot is going to be said about what happened here about how they managed to surprise Israel, with almost 3000 terrorists coming into Israel and no one knew about it. How do you keep a secret that 3000 People know about right? I think that was an assumption by the intelligence officers, that there’s no way that so many people will know something that we don’t think is that they did not know about it. Until it actually happened because there was so many drills that they did to kind of make sure that we cover now it’s not real it’s like you have people exactly what happened. They made all those rules they got us to you know, have a concept that it’s not gonna never gonna happen because it was the set was ongoing stop so long. And it’s so unimaginable that even if we saw them coming to the border, or if we saw them coming with fraud On the border with silica, that’s another driller that are just you know, showing the sprained his muscles and they want to, they want to care about board of people now, and they’re not, you know, they change the ways. And just like ours flowers before it happened, those 3000 people got the message this time is not real. Go, go go. So that’s kind of how it went under the radar.
Jeremy Weisz 30:25
Yeah, and if we look at this, if we saw something, let’s say we see a spike two days before something then this could actually detect in real time, something we don’t know what it is, but something and some of you have to look at this closely to maybe see, oh, there’s a spike at 3am? What’s going on that type of thing?
Ran Geva 30:48
No, I think what happened here, so these are public channels, these are public telegram channels. So what we see here are basically civilians, or Skubana, could be also terrorists themselves, the posting stuff, but it’s not internal chatter of the home of its public channels. So the spike is the is by private people posting pictures that they took. So the civilians did not know about it, even though there’s the terrorists did not know about it. So it’s not it’s not internal information. These are this is kind of Ossington open source intelligence. So there’s those no way out of open source intelligence to know about what’s going to happen.
Jeremy Weisz 31:30
Yeah. And so we see some of these things, psychological warfare, we see escalation of online extreme discourse, and misinformation, increased cyber warfare, et cetera. Anything else on this that we should
Ran Geva 31:48
point out, you’re gonna see that we keep on saying with this information being spread out to stir to you know, to it’s a power warfare, basically discouraging? Does do fighters going to different fight and this course global, you know, being a Jew these days is frightening. Does not information, misinformation. And this information? Of course, if we’re not doing it, it’s tragic. What’s What what happened? What happens in Gaza, bullies. However, there’s a lot of forces trying to set an agenda. That is kind of a powerful nation, we will talk we are determined to lose. People always cheer for the underdog. Unfortunately, even if the underdog is a terrorist and murderer, rapist, terrorist. Yeah, unfortunately, it gets it gets cheered on by too many people, which is extremely disappointing. Feels like it was it is only an excuse. You know, to show your real self as anti Semite. It’s frightening. We talked before about going abroad. And nobody wants to be like, you really feel like Israel is our last resort. As is where we are protected. takes us back as a nation. Nobody likes to be we all grew up with the with the stories of the Holocaust. And nobody wants to go there. You think, you know, it’s extreme event that happened to our grandparents? Never again, and then you see there’s an opportunity and it could happen again. If given the chance. And you see globally you see what’s going on you say well, I’m I’m not sure I want to go out now. And it was probably always this way so it’s kind of it’s it’s an opportunity and we kind of pessimistic but a stand
Jeremy Weisz 34:21
how do you come to that? How do people combat like we have, you know, escalation of online extreme discourse and misinformation. How do companies are? How do we combat misinformation?
Ran Geva 34:34
So fortunately, there are so many good civilians. I can’t say anything about our government that is doing something good. They’re not one of the things that was really hearing as well is that they, they were bad before they’re persistent and being bad, or government but ah, are our brothers of civilians are doing the work that they should have been doing so they’re very surprising Hearos right that there’s a blog. I Kanaan I think that’s her name. She he’s she had a I’m not mistaken wine tasting company or she did tours or for tourists. And she found herself starting kind of a movement and convincing people to retweet and reply and getting to high profile accounts of Twitter and then more more people joined her. And she got started with Hamas is ISIS trend comparing making gun sticking to a common ground that many people know everyone knew ISIS, not many people know come off. So you have what’s
Jeremy Weisz 36:02
the site called? So because check out I don’t
Ran Geva 36:04
know it’s, it’s it’s an X on Twitter, just a private person who started battling and started replying to disinformation or replying to agendas with the truth and asking people to retweet and she got she’s now kind of a powerhouse of change changing the climate is to fight.
Jeremy Weisz 36:33
Who are some of those people that you follow or that people are following? So that to combat misinformation? So what was the person’s name on Twitter?
Ran Geva 36:43
Luckily, none? They are, they are private people that are working to answer manually and try to get other people to reply and try to change the narrative.
Jeremy Weisz 37:09
Any other people that you recommend others checkout in that regards? So
Ran Geva 37:17
Ally thieves should win something. This is the law lot of work basically night and day. And she has a partner. Um, this is her hearing with her. Yeah. Donna gut. I think she’s her partner. And they both the both, they both do fight the narrative but also work to help civilians to help causes. As you can see, she’s like, that’s all her Twitter. Time faces for you. So she, you know, if if the time front page will say something, which is kind of a backwards, she will go ahead and fix it for you, and it will reply and have portfolio retreat and get their attention. And so she’s working very hard. And Davey does so. So there’s a bunch of people that have dedicated their life. Like one day, they need one thing the second day, they’re doing another thing. Yeah. What? Yeah, it’s a lost cause. I unfortunately, this is something that we have to do. But it’s very, very, very difficult to find too many, but we can sit idle. Yeah,
Jeremy Weisz 38:55
it’s tough because I’m seeing these conversations go. I’m sure you are on social media, all channels. And is someone really going to convince someone else? I don’t know, maybe? I don’t know. I mean, it’s, it’s still worth speaking what the truth is, but yeah, the sad part is, I don’t know if someone’s going to be anyone’s going to be convinced on the other side. You know, that’s something maybe that’s just my skepticism.
Ran Geva 39:26
I don’t know. No, I think it’s, yeah, that’s why when I was younger, I was we argumentative our time. These days. I just don’t, I’m too lazy for that. I’m just I don’t even try. Because many times people you know, want to listen to themselves and also on social media has an echo chamber. You are right, you are preaching to the choir. You feel good about getting the likes and shares from people like ours that are like minded. So Getting and changing minds is difficult. Unfortunately, or fortunately, we have a lot of graphic information that cannot change or prune stuff which is so difficult to use and opening LinkedIn and Twitter and even the main newspapers in Israel. It I personally, I can’t I can’t read I can’t watch anymore in breaks who you are, it removes your faith in humanity. And, but it’s kind of the most powerful weapon you have now. To show who you’re dealing with, right? So easy to not use it. But it’s so crazy that things can happen. And so you have you want to go to work, you want to continue with your life. And you then you drive to work. And you listen to the radio, and then you hear the story that you didn’t intend to hear, and then kind of ruins your day or you come to work out of contemplating life and they have to keep on going and lead a company and be strong for everyone. Which is difficult. I think. What did you do you know
Jeremy Weisz 41:36
as a leader after you know, when the when the terror attacks happened, and how did you address your company and stuff?
Ran Geva 41:48
I think like everyone watch the news. Remove from the screen disbelief just trying to get a grasp of what is happening and keeps on happening for hours and hours. I think that’s one of the crazy things on top of everything that this took went on for hours. And you could on live TV here the pleads of people that later on died. And you cannot see yourself what where where is the police? Where’s the army? How come people are crying for help? For hours and hours and no one’s coming? That’s ticket I think the betrayal people are filling we thought we were protected. So something horrible is happening. It’s on TV doc whereas you see what’s going on everyone sees what’s going on. And you see news reporter breaking because their friends who are sending them help us we are stuck. We need help. Why isn’t anyone coming so you see there and you like everything kind of relied on breaks so that’s kind of a meet and many other people right? And then you have reality in real life and I would kind of alarm staying at that disbelief about a company’s run I have a responsibility for my employees, their families make sure that we keep on operating so I had to call with I and my co founder guy mo multiple calls about what’s going to happen and kind of decide of course that’s going to and not have no choice route that we will come to work the negative the next day. And you know, stick with people hear them out. The first two days. I think people were out of it. Like they didn’t answer the phone but it was like wow, but you can barely they can barely really off operate. And myself and guy went down to eat lunch and everything was closed. Even though we know those though. There was no no one telling anyone to close, but people did not want to leave home. People were just mourning or in shock. The next day was a bit better but still like again, Sarah that’s like you feel like nope, nope, nothing you posted it. The roads are clear, no traffic jams. And realistic you’re with your managers who have difficult times as well. And you tell them guys, you know, you guys want to be managers and now it’s your time to shine. So you have to get through you you have to pull on you need to get Get these together for, you know, to survive this. So I think it’s, it’s, it’s something that difficult, but you have to. And sometimes I spoke with my EO friends that can, it’s a disconnect, because sometimes everything is okay, you’re functioning, and then you drive home and you start crying. Just out of nowhere, it’s so strange. And if you feel anything, you feel like you’re sad, or the whole day, and all of a sudden, this had written, yeah, and this is kind of our, our internal or our psyche is strange. You don’t listen to yourself. And something crazy is going on internally, and you don’t listen to it. And all of a sudden, kind of a, you know, explodes and grew, but by no crying and deep sadness taking over you. And yeah, I think it’s still, you know, there, it’s still, it’s getting better, of course, and people are, you know, our offices, people are coming and working. And people found out that working is good. And kind of taking off, you know, not watching the news. And started, you know, going to the routine is important, it actually helps because otherwise you go crazy. So, we are kind of back, there are some, you know, some problems with that, as notes calls or calls are starting to get back to normal. So, but we have parents who have no nothing to do with their little children, so they have to work from home and no, productivity is going down a bit. It’s getting better these days, it’s been a month since. But it was a tough month, it still is. But we are on track. 50 50% On top of that horror story 50% of our development force is in Army Reserve. And so we are now working on growing a new muscle of hiring outsource employees, which I’ve always thought it will be a good idea to have. So we’re kind of using this opportunity to learn how to scale using outsource. So that’s good, in a sense. We don’t expect to see our employees next them, many of them, and I want to play went into Gaza, and I was really, really, really scared for him. And today, so I message him on Friday. How are you? You know, and they, you know, when you go inside the cake, of course your phone, so there’s one, there’s one V and it received a message I just want to bring to say, Hey, what’s up when he gets back in today? I got that. Hey, what’s up? Everyone? So like, yeah, so it’s juggling, you know, reality and reality, realities.
Jeremy Weisz 48:19
I can’t even imagine, you know, thanks for sharing your story, your journey, you know, businesses is tough enough. And now you add all of these other things to the mix. It just almost not comprehensible, you know. So thanks for pushing forward. Thanks for what you do as a company for you know, Israel and also for some of the work you’re doing in an intelligence perspective with Webz.io. So I want to just encourage people check out Webz.io Webz.io to learn more. And if you know someone that can use them, send them this interview, send them the website. And Ran, I just wanted to the first one to thank you. Thanks for for sharing your story. Thank you for having me.
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